We just got a new hot water tank installed. One of the major things I had to decide was whether or not we would change over to a tankless system. Since I have spent literally hours over the past week considering this, doing the math, and pouring over the internet looking for info, I figure I’ll share my findings with you guys.
So, what about a tankless system? I’ve heard that they are supposed to conserve energy and cut your gas bills considerably.
Renting a tankless “in-line” system would cost $476.60.
Supposedly the tankless system should last about 20 years.
Over 10 years the rental fees for the tankless would be $4766.00.
Over 20 years the rental fees for the tankless would be $9532.00
I received two estimates for installing a tankless system, both were for around $3300+taxes.
Okay, it seems like it would definitely be worth purchasing a tankless system vs. renting it! But is the initial outlay worth it? Is it worth it vs. a power vented tank? How much do you potentially save with a tankless system?
I found this article from Consumer.Org interesting. Basically it says that in terms of 2008 dollars, you should see a savings on your gas bill of roughly $70 to $80 per year. However, apparently the tankless systems have higher maintenance and repair fees that negates any savings to your gas bill.
The tankless systems are much more complex, making repairs more complicated and replacement pieces more expensive. Also, to prevent clogging from calcium build up tankless systems need to be flushed out with acid by a professional about once every two years. Estimated cost; $200 per flush.
There is also the fact that you can get inconsistencies in the temperature with the tankless system. First, there is a delay while the water warms up and gets to the destination. Then I found reference to something called “the cold water sandwich effect”, a term used to describe the introduction of cold water into the hot water supply line during frequent on/off operation of a tankless water heater. Basically, once everything is warmed up and the tap is running hot you can get hit with a blast of cold “buffer” water.
Finally, a tankless system requires electricity to run. If the power goes out you are left without any hot water. Plus the additional hydro fees are going to offset your gas bill savings.
It appears that the only sites touting the advantages of the tankless systems are manufacturer or retailer sites. I did not turn up any impartial websites praising the advantages of the inline heater. (If anyone knows of any non-biased pro-tankless articles out there I’d love to read them.)
What I also found conspicuous in it’s absence is that fact that not one of the installers that I had provide me with an estimate tried to sell me on the tankless system. They only provided the figures when I specifically asked for them, and they didn’t talk up the system at all.
I also found several articles on the Toronto Star warning against purchasing a tankless system:
* Tankless water heat not so hot
* Do the math before you take on a tankless job
* Tankless not always best way to heat water
Based on this research I ‘m ditching any ideas of getting a tankless system. $3729 is prohibitively expensive for me. Also on top of the costs mentioned above, I would have to take into account the fact that any savings are going to be offset by the fact that I would be purchasing it on my credit card.
I’d love to hear your guys opinions and thoughts on this. Own a tankless system and love it? Thinking about getting one?
If you’re interested I wrote a second article on this topic, The Water Tank Heater Question – By the Numbers, which addresses pricing, and some comparison between Conventional, Power-Vented and Tankless systems.
Good information…thanks for this.
Thanks for the info. My father in law was looking into buying a tankless and I will let hime know your research info.
We were told it was a bad idea here in MI because the groundwater is so cold. Perhaps if you lived in Florida
Interesting! I had never heard of these before. We probably have the same problem here in Chicago as Sara, icy groundwater. We had a power vent system once that was horrid. It wouldn't work and shut down the system. Nothing worse than a cold shower *shiver*.I stumbled ya, I hope you like my post http://t.co/HFaJG7w
We've actually been toying with the idea of a tankless system. Our repair guy mentioned it. I'm glad you posted your research. I didn't realize there was maintenance. I read something the other day about a solar way to get hot water; I might be researching that harder now. I suppose I'm just so tired of the monopoly the electric company has. 🙂
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We are in the same boat as you…although less days without hot water, and were trying to figure out if we should buy or rent, tankless or not. Thank you for posting this information. My husband was actually leaning towards tankless, and I think we'll be changing our mind now!
I currently live in Europe and they use a tankless system. I am not sure if it is like what you are talking about. It is heated by a pilot light in the attic. But considering I have not had to pay for it out of my pocket…. I love it! For the simple fact that we never NEVER run out of hot water! Like I said though I haven't had to pay installation expenses and so forth.
We have a tankless system (this is ours http://jenandjoeygogreen.blogspot.com/2010/05/our… and absolutely love it. The only issue is the less than a minute delay in water heating up sometimes. But there is no blast of cold water that you wrote about. You can get remote sensors that will help with this delay.We have no maintenance issues either. No maintenance at all actually in the 4 years we have lived here (never had a need for a professional to pour acid into it). The cost savings from an energy perspective come into play with the fact that your water is not constantly being heated over and over again like it is in a water tank. So in a typical tank your water is constantly being heated regardless if you are using the water. So that is wasted energy (and money).
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Good point Tamara, which I forgot to address. I did read several places that tankless is pretty much the standard in Europe. I believe it’s a little different then the North American version. From what I read, in Europe it’s more common to have point of use tankless systems, even electric shower heads and a system where you hit a button to tell your system to prep some hot water for you… All of which sound pretty cool, but none of which were options presented to me.I totally agree, if my house came with tankless pre-installed, I’d might just grow to love it.
Thanks Jen. I'm glad someone finally weighed in on the pro-tankless side. When I heard about the "cold water sandwich effect" I searched around a bit and the best description I could find of it was actually on a manufacturer's (Riani) website… stating that all tankless systems have this problem to some degree. From a green standpoint, I think there are pros to a tankless system – in that energy is being saved. If you're right and there is no maintenance required, that's great! However, any repairs required over the 20 year lifespan of the system are still going to cost more then repairs made to a conventional tank. For my personal situation, particularly once I have to add in the fact that I would be purchasing it on credit, it looks like the financial savings would end up being nil.
We talked to our contractor about a tankless system when we were doing some work on the new house. He really didn't recommend them and said we would not be happy with them at all. I like to take long showers and he said that the hot water just wasn't going to last long enough at a time.Great research! thanks for sharing it.thanks for stumbling my post – I've stumbled yours as well.
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Hi, stumbling you back (yes I'm slow). I haven't looked into this much, but I probably should because a hot water heater is one of those things you have to make a quick decision on if it fails.
We Love our tankless system which we installed last fall. For us it was not so much about cost savings (however we ARE saving $$$) it was more for the environmental impact of not heating a big tank of water for no reason. The water is always nice and hot, no trouble with temperature variation. And in our house it doesn't take any longer to get the hot water from the tankless vs the tank.I would say the only difference I see is with the tank heater when you turn on the hot water it goes from cold and then slowly you get warmer water. With the tankless it is cold for a little bit longer, but then you get HOT water (not that long delay to get up to temp).The cost of the tankless water heater and associated materials was around $2000.
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I've always thought that going tankless would make my life easier but apparently, it would even cost me even more in maintenance. This information made me think twice on buying a new water heater. We really should research about the product before we purchase them.
We've been discussing the advantages and disadvantages of a tankless water heater because we're in desperate need of a new one. What I hate the most about a conventional water heater is the tank. It eats up a lot of space and it only has a limited amount of hot water (too bad, if you're the last one to take a bath). Perhaps, more research and feedback from friends would settle this for me.
I think a tank-less water heater is always a good idea. They save a lot of space but still are powerful. I think water heaters are great in general because they make sure houses have hot water when needed. They are also very important during winter months when it is really cold. You need hot water for the dishes and to take showers. That is why it is very important to make sure your unit is always working properly.
I work for a plumbing & heating outfit on Vancouver island and have installed many tankless water heaters. They are getting more and more popular as time goes by and as they improve on minor flaws. I installed a GAS fired tankless heater in my personal home and am very happy with it (of course doing work myself cost was around $1500). Making the switch was a no brainer as hydro here is rising drastically while natural gas remains very affordable. I highly advise to stay away from the electric tankless as they just don't seem to meet the demands of the average household. Another thing to look for in a gas tank less is if its self igniting(IID), this avoids having a standing pilot slowly burning away your savings.